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 Post subject: Beese wax alternitive?
PostPosted: 09.05.2008, 15:11 
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Wouldn't ya know it. My local health food shop ran out of wax.

My thoughts, please recommend the best approach.

1. Local bee keeper/Guy that sells honey at the farmers market.
2. Candle or several candles and try to use that.

Im thinking the guy that sells the honey is twice removed from the bee keeper.
Im thinking the bees wax candle is likely mixed with paraffin.

Last though, arts and crafts shop?
Remember im traveling in central America so when I ask for wax they give me honey flavored hand cream.
Impossible to find, they always give me funny looks, and I want to record this week!

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PostPosted: 09.05.2008, 15:23 
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I think the candle wax will be too hard and brittle for its intended use. Try as many outlets as you can until you find some beeswax, or use an alternative substance (epoxy putty which you might be able to get at the crafts shop etc). It wouldn't surprise me if the honey seller could get his hands on some for you.


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PostPosted: 09.05.2008, 15:42 
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If you can find a local beekeeper, I don't think you'll have a challenge getting a good sized lump of beeswax.


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PostPosted: 18.05.2008, 15:22 
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I've had no problems using pure beeswax candles for mouthpieces, but the emphasis is on pure. Try it. You have two chances.

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PostPosted: 18.05.2008, 19:13 
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same here. ive had no problems as well using candle beeswax.

you can get it in comb form, which i dont reccommend. as its too soft.
it also comes in small bricks, in both Pure and Ultra Pure
The Pure is yellowish, has a nice honey scent and softens up very well under a hair dryer, and holds its shape well. no problems of brittlesness or cracking.

the ULTRA PURE is solid white, very hard, higher melting point and just too hard. no honey scent (which im very fond of)

the bricks are the same price about 14$ and will last your for YEARS

hope that helps? i dunno...

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 Post subject: Re: Beese wax alternitive?
PostPosted: 18.05.2008, 20:05 
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A friend suggested a catholic religious store might have them as brought in by local craftsmen.

I'm not in the USA as I might have mentioned so I get weird looks as the "Gringo" and asking for bees wax they really wonder I'm up to.

Welp, I'm off to the local religious store for candles!
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PostPosted: 05.11.2008, 03:15 
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Bee's wax...yeuch!
I use styrene based car filler (Isopon/Plastic Padding etc.) if the mouthpiece is too wide to simply sand smooth and play.
Use an old fashioned butter knife to paste the stuff in and over, then I file it on the inside with a semi-circular file and smooth the outside with 400 grade wet and dry. I use medium viscosity cyanoacrylate to fill/stop any cracks that appear. DO NOT use beeswax to fill cracks because it will f*** up any further attempts to stop cracks from getting worse.


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PostPosted: 05.11.2008, 11:27 
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Sandy wrote:
DO NOT use beeswax to fill cracks because it will f*** up any further attempts to stop cracks from getting worse.


well, i guess there are definitely some purists out there, who wouldnt put anything else than natural stuff (in a traditional sense) on their sticks! but i think, its better than black tape! or getting fresh firewood...

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PostPosted: 15.11.2008, 16:02 
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Another idea. I prefer to use wood glue to make the mouthpiece, when the wood aperure is too wide, because the glue is harder than bees wax.

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PostPosted: 16.11.2008, 12:18 
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you build up your mouthpieces with glue?? :shock: :shock: errhm. do you mix it with something? or colorize it? i remember that glue isnt the thing to modell something... do you make it layer by layer?

i have a funny mouthpiece-journey behind me...
* i started with doing nothing. left the mouthpieces as they were..
* then used paraffin to model my own (not good!)
* then i met my 'personal' apiarist, supporting me with natural beewax
* nonetheless i started making wooden mothpieces, also coconut and stuff (still like that)
* finally i returned to good old natural beewax, carnaubawax, pigments. its soo natural!! ..i love it. it smells good. its antibacterial. easy to model, easy to change. :mrgreen: looks good on traditional and modern sticks..

ps.: does someone use silicon one's ?? http://www.didgeridoomundstueck.de/info.htm i definitely look forward to try one of these in future.


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PostPosted: 17.11.2008, 08:28 
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does someone use silicon one's


Nope, but I once tried them. There were four things I didn't like:
- you have to have a didge they fit on
- they're difficult to fix properly (may be better now, I tried a long time ago)
- they're too round
- you can't change them at all to suit you

I only see one advantage: they're tough

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PostPosted: 17.11.2008, 13:35 
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About the use of the glue, I make the mouthpiece layer by layer yes. If the new diameter is quite different to the actual one (something above 5mm), I add some wood particles to reduce the time of drying. For me bees wax is not adapted to small modifications of diameter (in my way to make mouthpiece). For the same amount of material, the wax is really less adhesive and it's softer. With glue the mouthpiece could not evolve with time, so no needs to correct it because the material has slid or whatever. Yes I am lazy.
I will add some pictures in two weeks when I will modify the mouthpiece of one instrument. You will see it's not disgusting to play with wood glue!

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PostPosted: 17.11.2008, 17:20 
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add some carnauba wax to that from the bees and it will become damn solid. the right mixture is the key! some trial and error and you'll get it


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PostPosted: 03.01.2009, 04:56 
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hi
my family has been making and painting didgeridoos for longer then i can remember so here is what i would do
you could try to make a insert mouthpiece
i have seen this done on many didgeridoos that have xtra large mouth pieces
it needs to look like a mushroom (fat and stumpy)
once shaped and you have the smaller end fitting nicely
use a holesaw to drill through the top of ur mushroom to
make the size opening u like (personal choice)
then simpily insert mushroom and glue down ur new top

if anyone needs more info on this drop me a line
dr_hippo@live.com.au

lover of all things didgeridoo
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PostPosted: 05.05.2009, 17:06 
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those silicone ones don't look like they make much a change in the size of the mouthpiece.

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