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PostPosted: 21.06.2007, 09:31 
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What!

Seems a tad OTT. All children to have a medical check up, how traumatic will that be, never mind the rest.

All aboriginals are pressumed gulity until proven innocent?

I remember the Cleveland child abuse cases over here and the Orkneys ones where people went totally over the top and saw just about everything as a sign of abuse and destroyed childrens and families lives for no reason.

Child abuse is evil, but I can' believe that it is actually so ingrained in aboriginal society to justify this. Be interestting to hear about stats for OZ in general.


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Just took in the rest of what it says...

Unbelievable simplistic response from an idiot of a Prime Minister.

And why scrap the entry permits?


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I find this step backwards that little johnny is suggesting to be quite disturbing.
Almost back to colonial policies (if ever they were fully abandoned).
How much of it will become reality is doubtful, it sounds much more like playing for the media. Already the story was sensationalised (though also true and disturbing itself), but this little idiot is just playing along with it and playing for the crowd.

There is certainly a problem, casued greatly by past australian govenment assimilation policies and such ilk. This sounds simply like a step back to that sad past. . :(

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What concerns me most about this issue is the definition of 'child abuse' from this perspective. On one hand, child abuse is, to use another cliched phrase, like pornography- difficult to define definitively but fairly easy to spot when you see it. However, I wonder if such cultural practices as circumcision ceremonies and scarification could be lumped into 'child abuse' with some unfortunate consequences.


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Hi all

according to the free paper in london as a result of this the broad minded and loveable cuddly australian prime minister Mr Howard is going to ban alcohol and porn in certain aborigional lands in the NT.....that will work and sort out the problem eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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There will be a special session of Parliament if needed to amend land rights legislation and self-government legislation.


Hmm, I'm wondering what would land rights have to do with this too.

Seems like any kind of rights for the first people of Australia is under fire even if it's unrelated to the issues at hand.

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martin wrote:
Already the story was sensationalised


Whenever something like that happens in the UK the Mirror, the Sun and so on have their own public pogroms and suggest making abuse registers public.


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suggest making abuse registers public.


Legislation like this exists in the states, and my personal opinion is that it often results in an increase in vigilantism against convicted sex offenders. As with most laws, it is good in theory and less so in practice. 'Minor' sex crimes like statutory rape were clearly not the focus of such legislation, yet they're still branded as 'sexual predators' and forced to register with their neighborhoods.

A case in Georgia recently hit the news: a 17 year old received oral sex from his 15 year old girlfriend (it was caught on film) and is now serving a ten-year sentence because Georgia state law considered it a felony. What's even more outrageous is if they had actually had intercourse, it would only be considered a misdemeanor!


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Now I don't usually get much info of interest from the DidjShop but this seems like a worthy read (and LONG- it's 320 pages)

http://www.nt.gov.au/dcm/inquirysaac/pd ... report.pdf

The Aussie Government's June 15th findings re: child abuse in Aboriginal communities.


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Interesting issues re: deep cultural differences over age of consent, and what constitutes a marriage.

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traditional marriage practices as they once existed cannot continue in the modern world


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It is the Inquiry’s view that action must be taken to establish a new set of moral “norms” within Aboriginal communities


At least they're being explicit about their intentions. They really intend to force their "modern" world on Aboriginal people, whether the people want it or not. This sort of thing really disheartens me.
Granted I only spent a couple of months in Gove this year, but in that entire time, I saw absolutely no evidence of rampant, or in fact any, child sexual abuse in the area. I did see some neglect, where parents were having severe substance abuse problems, and were unable to take proper care of their children, and those children ended up living with others who could take care of them. But honestly, the vast majority of what I saw were well-loved, healthy kids.
In my honest opinion neither this report, nor the "emergency response" legislation based on it, are honestly about helping Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory with anything. I know I've posted these links before, but if you haven't already looked at them, please do so:

http://www.facsia.gov.au/internet/Minister3.nsf/print/emergency_21june07.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/24/world/asia/24outback.html?ex=1345694400&en=830f779858d828f9&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

For all the noise this report makes about human rights, the emergency response legislation passed, doesn't seem to give much regard for Aboriginal people's human rights, as far as self-determination, traditional systems of governance and communal ownership, and privacy.
I really worry for my friends there...


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I saw absolutely no evidence of rampant, or in fact any, child sexual abuse in the area


I'm not suggesting there is "rampant child sex abuse" but its hardly the kind of activity that is typically out in the open

An horrific case of child sex abuse has gone through the british high court where the perpitators wife family had no idea he was systematically abusing children over many years

Reality is we don't know for sure what how prevelant child abuse is in any community

I'm not suggesting it goes on in Yolgnu society anymore than my own, but lets be realistic


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An horrific case of child sex abuse has gone through the british high court where the perpitators wife family had no idea he was systematically abusing children over many years

Reality is we don't know for sure what how prevelant child abuse is in any community

I'm not suggesting it goes on in Yolgnu society anymore than my own, but lets be realistic


Yeah, but Paul... that family in the U.K. ... did their entire town and all their relatives then lose the right to own and control what happens on their own property? To live where they want on their own property? The right to own their own businesses and run them as they see fit? Does everyone in the UK have to give up all these and more rights in order to have access to health care and police to look after these issues?

The problem isn't just the widespread labelling of all Aboriginal communities as hotbeds of sexual abuse, it's the fact that the government is taking advantage of the heightened awareness of this problem to do incredibly massive, sweeping changes that they've wanted to do for a long time, based on no understanding of the horrible history of dealings with Aboriginal People that have resulted in the current admittedly bad situation.

There is an upcoming election which looks like it may change the political party in charge here. A win there and openness to change all this new policy is the only thing that can save Aboriginal culture as we know it. The current plans can only end with Aboriginal People being moved off their homelands where they will no longer be able to survive, into cities where they will be found all but unemployable, and therefore will end up a new larger generation of drunk and homeless people in the NT.

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Yeah, but Paul... that family in the U.K. ... did their entire town and all their relatives then lose the right to own and control what happens on their own property? To live where they want on their own property? The right to own their own businesses and run them as they see fit? Does everyone in the UK have to give up all these and more rights in order to have access to health care and police to look after these issues?

The problem isn't just the widespread labelling of all Aboriginal communities as hotbeds of sexual abuse, it's the fact that the government is taking advantage of the heightened awareness of this problem to do incredibly massive, sweeping changes that they've wanted to do for a long time, based on no understanding of the horrible history of dealings with Aboriginal People that have resulted in the current admittedly bad situation.

There is an upcoming election which looks like it may change the political party in charge here. A win there and openness to change all this new policy is the only thing that can save Aboriginal culture as we know it. The current plans can only end with Aboriginal People being moved off their homelands where they will no longer be able to survive, into cities where they will be found all but unemployable, and therefore will end up a new larger generation of drunk and homeless people in the NT.


Seperate issues Randy

I am simply pointing out that that its unrealistic to say "I didn't see any evidence of child abuse"

I'll re-iterate again - I'm not suggesting child abuse is more or less prevelant in the community you live randy


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Paul,

What I'm saying is, given the imposition of martial law, taking away peoples land, and total overhaul of the way people govern themselves, I would expect there to be a GLARING, OBVIOUS problem.
There isn't.
I also talked with elder Yolngu women about this, who told me that yes, they had heard occasional stories about this sort of thing, but didn't lead me to believe that it was any more common than there than in our society.
What I didn't see, which the report claims: parents prostituting their children in the streets, or homeless and starving children. Anywhere.
The other thing that really bothers me about this report, is what is being termed "abuse". Promised marriages, and different views about age of consent are now being called sexual abuse by the Australian government. In other words cultural differences are now being labeled perversion.
I don't think I'm being unrealistic. I'm just stating my firsthand experience, and why these developments bother me.

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